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[Brian Hoare]

Evening all

It seems that fait may strike again, but whilst today's forecast is suggesting unsuitable conditions with high winds, yesterday and the previous few days painted a different picture.

I've decided to wait 24hrs and will make the call early evening tomorrow at the latest.

Have a good evening

Brico

[Adrian Harrison]

fingers crossed brico.
adrian

[Brian Hoare]

CANCELLED

Check out the original post for the update.

Brico

[brandon ransley]

I cannot make that date either Brian. Fourth time lucky 🙏

[Adrian Harrison]

19th ok for me Brico, lets hope your/our persistence is rewarded.
Happy to judge something if needed.

Adrian

[Brian Hoare]

FYI

Having now rescheduled for the 4th time, unfortunately I have been informed that with the date now being the 19th October, it will fall outside of the timeline to be included as a centralised event.

Therefore all schedules flown will only contribute to the National League results.

Entries are once again open to any interested parties.

Brico

[Greg Butterworth]

Brian, I may be able to get along to the revised 4th time of asking ... - just catching up from return from several holidays...

[Stuart Mellor]

Brian  - Can we see more info on Centralised time limits.

Team selection has to take place between 1st May & 15th October (for some reason) but can't now find any time limits for Centralised in our rules or BMFA contest rules. (Can't remember the old time limits now  - I think it used to be end of October)

Are there, still, time limits for BMFA Centralised events?

If not - on what basis was the decision made to cancel the event as a centralised?

[Brian Hoare]

Hi Stuart

I suggest you aim you thoughts at the committee for this ruling. My reference to timelines refers to you own conclusion as team selection which as far as I was aware is an centralised event and as my comp is my being held 4 days after this rule you yourself have stated being the 15th for team selection conclusion then it is now a National league event and not a centralised.  

Plus I didn't understand you rational for calling me regarding last weeks competition prior to making the decision not to proceed as you were not included in the days events. What was your agenda?

Regards

Brico

[Kevin Caton]

Hi Stuart

There isn't anything written but there is an "expectation" that all the results will be sent in by 1st October to allow time for the BMFA trophies to be engraved with the name of the winner.

There was just enough wiggle room to manage a final competition on 5th October but not beyond that date unfortunately.

If you think that's bad there are still some who believe we should "approve" results at the RC Power Technical Committee. When I asked what would happen if the results weren't approved there was no good answer.

Sometimes we just have to work around the bureaucracy as best we can.

[Kevin Caton]

Now I've read the previous post I should add that the 15th October cutoff for team selection is a throwback from the Covid years and we would probably be challenged if we left if that late by plan.

None of this was Brian's decision - it was mine as I have a foot in both camps - UKF3A and BMFA. 

[Stuart Mellor]

Hi Brian & Kev. No apologies from me for questioning the 15th Oct date. It was just odd & I could find nothing in BMFA rules referring to that date re centralised comps. (might have missed it, I accept)

It just seemed that cancelling the comp as a centralised, if we didn't have to, might reduce the entry level and reduce available judges. That was my agenda Brian.

Kevin - I know you would take up the centralised dates with the pt committee (if there is no reference in their own rules)

Given the dreadful weather we've had this year ( and no reason to expect better weather in future) it would be to our advantage to extend the season to the end of October. if we had to.
That would grant us more flexibility and also to comply with the BMFA' s own specialist body rules. I doubt that any BMFA official is closely monitoring our comps and whether they actually know their own rules to that extent anyway & we can't run comps on BMFA expectations!

[brandon ransley]

I thought we had talked about reducing the number of centralised. 

[Adrian Harrison]

I understand  as a specialist body of the BMFA our requirement is to  run a minimum of three centralised.
A 

[Kevin Caton]

I understand the questions and concerns about whether the final Ashbourne competition should be designated as a Centralised or not. It was my decision and I take responsibility for it. The primary reason is that we are at the busiest part of the year for collating results and getting BMFA trophies engraved ready for presentation to the winners. We have held six Centralised competitions already this year which is the target number to generate a meaningful league for the Sid Allen Memorial Trophy. We can hold a minimum of three but this brings risks if competitions are cancelled. One year we only had one Centralised - so the winner of that got the trophy for First Centralised, Last Centralised and the league, which didn't seem right, so we agreed to return to the historic target of six competitions.

The entries for the six events this season were 6, 4, 3, 1, 4 & 2. The rescheduled Ashbourne competition has just two entries also. In my opinion this isn't enough and to raise the standing of these events I think we should reduce the number or separate them from other competitions. That's one of the topics for the AGM pre-meeting.

A further workload for me at this time of year is getting rule changes ready for 2026. Incredible as it may seem I am required to present our potential rule changes at the Technical Council meeting on 29th October, even if they haven't been approved - so in essence I just have to guess what they may be. I'm not joking! Other specialist bodies are in exactly the same situation as we are too.